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  • bebicanu

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  • Masina: Zafira 2003 Y20DTH
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salutare,
intentionez "sa scot la pensie" vechiul meu astra si sa il inlocuiesc cu un zafira.
bineinteles ca nu am bani de unul nou si vreau unul de prin 2001 . stie cineva daca sunt ceva smecherii la modelele de prin 2001 ? la ce ar trebui sa ma uit ca sa "nu o musc"? ma refer la diferente de genul masini din acelasi an si aproximativ aceleasi caracteristici dar cu diferente de1500 de EURO si normal ca este ceva putred acolo. poate fi doar de la CD player si alte chetii d'a'stea ? poate chestii de electronica in plus sau altele? cu mulyumiri anticipate tuturor celor cimi vor raspunde si sunt dispus sa dau cateva sfaturi pentru posesorii de astra 1,6 din 92 ca sunt convins ca au nevoie la anii masinii Razz
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  • SHARANEL

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salutare tuturor si bine v-am gasit!

vreau sa readuc in actualitate acest topic, deoarece sunt pe cale sa achizitionez o Zafira 2,0 DTI din 2002, 4 geamuri electrice, oglinzi el si incalzite, 10 airbaguri, comenzi pe volan, computer etc la fabuloasa suma de 9.000 euro

cunoasc oarecum istoria masinii, in bord are 136kkm, dar nu pot fi sigur ca sunt reali.

la ce trebuie sa fiu atent? ce smecherii ascunde Zafira?
  • BOEING747

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  • Masina: Astra 2004 Z17DTL
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LA 8.400 E stiu eu o Zafira de vanzare. An fabricatie 2001, km.163.000, culoare alb, clima,geamuri el., oglinzi el., parbriz heliomat, tapiterie plus, 7 scaune,adusa din Germania de 10 luni. Masina este in stare buna. Pretul cred ca mai este putin negociabil.
  • chiciuc

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  • Masina: Vectra 1997 X20DTL
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pt Zafira DTI 2001 in mare sunt urmatoarele, in rest ce se verifica la o masina sh:
1 - Rear door striker bolt - Welding spots cracked
Complaint: Circular cracks in the area of the spot welds, on the door frame C-pillar in the area of the striker assembly.
Cause: Load at higher body-tension.
Production: For Zafira improvements have been implemented in production as of VIN W0L0TGF7522007115.

2 - Side Airbag - Light comes on, TC 77/87
Complaint: Airbag control lamp lights up.
Cause: Contact problems on wiring harness connector of restrained system below the seat.
Production:

3 - Active headrest, frontseat - Squeaking noise
Complaint: Squeaking noise while loading the backrest.
Cause: Squeaking noises appear due to contact of the metall surfaces on the links of the active headrest.
Production: As of 11/01/2002 all active headrests are equipped with modified links

4 - Instrumentpanel - White particles from air ventilation system
Complaint: While using the AC or air ventilation small white particles are blown out off the ventilation nozzles. Some of these rest on the instrumentpanel and are well recognisable.
Cause: The sediments are caused by residues of production process from the evaporator.

5 - Recirculation flap - Without function, AC company Behr
Complaint: Window fogging due to closed recirculation flap.
Cause: Control motor recirculation flap is defective.
Production: As of following VIN: X2209273 (plant Bochum), X5219382 (plant Antwerpen), X6107130 (plant Eisenach), X8101668 (plant Ellesmere Port) news parts have been introduced in production.

6 - Front axle - Humming noise
Complaint: Vibration out of front axle area between 2100 rpm and 2200 rpm
Cause: Transmission of engine vibrations to front axle (Resonance)
Production:

7 - Front axle shaft - Humming noise
Complaint: Vibration noise from front axle - respectively transmission area between 2000 and 2200 rpm.
Cause: The right axle shaft takes over engine vibrations.
Production:

8 - Rear axle - Low frequency noise with installed mass damper
Complaint: Noises at rear brakes with or without break operation
Cause: Stimulation of the brakesystem.
Production: As per the following breakpoints calipers with a damper and a modified upper sliding pin have been introduced in production: Plant Bochum I with VIN W0L0TGF3532044143 and W0L0TGF7532045121, Plant Eisenach with VIN W0L0TGF4836023821, Plant Antwerp with VIN W0L0TGF..35043736. Plant Ellesmere Port with VIN W0L0TGF..38009690, Plant Bertone with VIN W0L0TGF073B001191 (Coupe), Plant Bertone with VIN W0L0TGF673B002531 (Convertible, Plant Rayong with VIN W0L0TGF753H000072.

9 - Rear axle - Low frequency noise
Complaint: Noises of rear brakes with or without break operation
Cause: Stimulation of the brakesystem
Production: As of the following breakpoints calipers with a damper and a modified upper sliding pin have been introduced in production: Plant Bochum I with VIN W0L0TGF3532044143 and W0L0TGF7532045121, Plant Eisenach with VIN W0L0TGF4836023821, Plant Antwerp with VIN W0L0TGF..35043736. Plant Ellesmere Port with VIN W0L0TGF..38009690, Plant Bertone with VIN W0L0TGF073B001191 (Coupe), Plant Bertone with VIN W0L0TGF673B002531 (Convertible), Plant Rayong with VIN W0L0TGF753H003256.

10 - ESP - Diagnostic Trouble Code C0131 is set
Complaint: DTC C0131 is set in the control unit.
Cause: Wrongly adjusted brakelight switch.
Production:

11 - Turbocharger - Whistling noise from turbocharger
Complaint: Whistling noise from turbocharger. This noise normally occurs during the boost phase.
Cause: Exhaust manifold gasket leaky. Exhaust manifold needs to be removed and checked. There is no need to replace the turbocharger!
Production: 1) Introduction of 2.5-layer-gasket (55351605 / 08 49 213) with engine number 17D68955 (September 2002). 2) Introduction of new exhaust manifold (24442866 / 08 49 155) with engine number 17A86523 (August 2001).

12 - Oil level - incorrect
Complaint: Incorrect reading of engine oil level on the oil dipstick although correct engine oil capacity is filled in.
Cause: Missing ventilation hole in oil dipstick tube due to manufacturing failure at supplier.
Production: Oil dipstick tube is checked as of engine no: 17 C92 336 (31.05.2002). Parts at P&A have been checked and found 100% OK.

13 - Diesel engines - Lack of power, jerking
Complaint: Lack of power, jerking
Cause: Air flow meter gets dirty or damaged because of water and oil, which drains through air inlet, air cleaner.
Production: Modified air mass meters have been introduced as of following VIN: Corsa C: Zaragoza: 08.05.01 W0L0XCF0814245493, Eisenach: 03.05.01 W0L0XCF6816105048, Azambuja: 25.05.01 W0L0XCF0813037404 Astra G: Bochum: 27.04.01 W0L0TGF3512245739, Antwerp:26.04.01 W0L0TGF4815248465, E'Port: 27.04.01 W0L0TGF3518127674 Zafira: Bochum: 06.04.01 W0L0TGF7512227609 Vectra B: Rüsselsheim: 27.04.01 W0L0JBF3511132832, Luton: 04.05.01 W0L0JBF6817066219 Omega B: Rüsselsheim: 04.05.01. W0L0VBP6911123565 Frontera B: Luton: W0L06BG761V500551 All hot film mass air flow meters with a stamp 183 (= March 2001) or lower have to be replaced.

14 - Clutch - Play to wide or spongy
Complaint: Clutchplay to wide or spongy, sometimes clutch pedal without drag or sticks after bleeding the clutch system.
Cause: Air in the clutch operator and pipes.
Production:

15 - F17 Transmission - Insufficient 1-2 and 3-2 shifting behavior under cold conditions
Complaint: It might be possible that - even if the transmission is correctly adjusted- a stiff and/or inexact shift mechanism occurs especially at cold conditions. As the transmission oil becomes warmer the shifting behavior improves. This is definitely not a transmission damage, the durability of the transmission is not affected.
Cause: Problem might be caused by: - Sliding gears are out of tolerance. - Feathering at the synchronizers. - Oil stiffness.
Production: Modified sliding gears have been implemented in production since June 2002 with transmission number A10721F17.

16 - Transmission - F23 rattling noises in 1. / 2. gear
Complaint: Transmission rattling at low engine speed in 1st and 2nd gear.
Cause: The noises are produced by engine vibrations and tolerances of the Synchronizer Rings of 3rd and 4th gear. The noises do not influence the life of transmission.
Production: From MY 2002 on a new process with modified transmission tolerances is implemented in production.
  • Eddie

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@chiciuc,
poti sa-mi spui si mie te rog pentru masina din semnatura,fabricata iulie 2003 2.0 DTI la ce probleme sa ma astept in timp si ce s-a mai remediat de la modelul din 2001 ? Multumesc anticipat .
  • chiciuc

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  • Masina: Vectra 1997 X20DTL
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pt Zafira 2003 2.0 DTI

1 - Field Remedy: 1536
Subject: Tailgate window - No weatherstrip around glass
Models: Engines: Option:
Zafira 2003...,Astra-G 2003... All,All
Complaint: Weatherstrip around the tailgate window seems to be missing.
Cause: Due to an improved adhesive bonding process in Bochum Plant the weatherstrip is not necessary anymore.
Production: Breakpoint for Zafira: W0L0TGF7532077016 Breakpoint for Astra G Caravan: W0L0TGF3532185659 (as of 21.03.2003)

2 - Field Remedy: 1410
Subject: Side Airbag - Light comes on, TC 77/87
Models: Engines: Option:
Corsa-B 1998...,Astra-G 1998...,Zafira 1998...,Vectra-B 1998...,Omega-B 1998... All,All,All,All,All
Complaint: Airbag control lamp lights up.
Cause: Contact problems on wiring harness connector of restrained system below the seat.
Production:

3 - Field Remedy: 1477
Subject: Airbag - Warning light illuminates
Models: Engines: Option:
Zafira 2002... All None
Complaint: Trouble codes 102 and 104 are stored (curtain airbag).
Cause: Plug X48 is not correctly engaged.
Production:

4 - Field Remedy: 1480
Subject: Recirculation flap - Without function, AC company Behr
Models: Engines: Option:
Astra-G 1998...,Zafira 1999... All,All Non
Complaint: Window fogging due to closed recirculation flap.
Cause: Control motor recirculation flap is defective.
Production: As of following VIN: X2209273 (plant Bochum), X5219382 (plant Antwerpen), X6107130 (plant Eisenach), X8101668 (plant Ellesmere Port) news parts have been introduced in production.

5 - Field Remedy: 1550
Subject: Rear axle - Low frequency noise with installed mass damper
Models: Engines: Option:
Astra-G 1998...2003,Astra-G Coupe 2000...2003,Astra-G Cabrio 2000...2003,Zafira 1999...2003 All,All,All,All
Complaint: Noises at rear brakes with or without break operation
Cause: Stimulation of the brakesystem.
Production: As per the following breakpoints calipers with a damper and a modified upper sliding pin have been introduced in production: Plant Bochum I with VIN W0L0TGF3532044143 and W0L0TGF7532045121, Plant Eisenach with VIN W0L0TGF4836023821, Plant Antwerp with VIN W0L0TGF..35043736. Plant Ellesmere Port with VIN W0L0TGF..38009690, Plant Bertone with VIN W0L0TGF073B001191 (Coupe), Plant Bertone with VIN W0L0TGF673B002531 (Convertible, Plant Rayong with VIN W0L0TGF753H000072.

6 - Field Remedy: 1448
Subject: Rear axle - Low frequency noise
Models: Engines: Option:
Astra-G 1998...2003,Zafira 1999...2003,Astra-G Coupe 2000...2003,Astra-G Cabrio 2000...2003 All,All,All,All
Complaint: Noises of rear brakes with or without break operation
Cause: Stimulation of the brakesystem
Production: As of the following breakpoints calipers with a damper and a modified upper sliding pin have been introduced in production: Plant Bochum I with VIN W0L0TGF3532044143 and W0L0TGF7532045121, Plant Eisenach with VIN W0L0TGF4836023821, Plant Antwerp with VIN W0L0TGF..35043736. Plant Ellesmere Port with VIN W0L0TGF..38009690, Plant Bertone with VIN W0L0TGF073B001191 (Coupe), Plant Bertone with VIN W0L0TGF673B002531 (Convertible), Plant Rayong with VIN W0L0TGF753H003256.

7 - Field Remedy: 1568
Subject: Turbocharger - Whistling noise from turbocharger
Models: Engines: Option:
Astra-G 1998...2003,Vectra-B 1996...2002,Vectra-C 2002...2003,Omega-B 1996...2003,Frontera 1996...2003,Sintra 1998...1999 Y20DTH| Y20DTL| Y22DTR| X20DTL,Y20DTH| Y22DTR| X20DTL| X20DTH,Y20DTH| Y22DTR,Y20DTH| Y22DTH,Y22DTH| X22DTH,X22DTH None
Complaint: Whistling noise from turbocharger. This noise normally occurs during the boost phase.
Cause: Exhaust manifold gasket leaky. Exhaust manifold needs to be removed and checked. There is no need to replace the turbocharger!
Production: 1) Introduction of 2.5-layer-gasket (55351605 / 08 49 213) with engine number 17D68955 (September 2002). 2) Introduction of new exhaust manifold (24442866 / 08 49 155) with engine number 17A86523 (August 2001).

8 - Field Remedy: 1517
Subject: Toothbelt - Service intervall overview
Models: Engines: Option:
All 1997...2003 All Toothbelt
Complaint: None
Cause: Service interval overview.
Production:

9 - Field Remedy: 1507
Subject: Battery - Cable at terminal loose
Models: Engines: Option:
All 2001,5... All None
Complaint: Engine start problem.
Cause: Disconnected Battery cable after storage not tightened correctly.
Production:

10 - Field Remedy: 1488
Subject: Engine - Power decrease under load
Models: Engines: Option:
Vectra-C 2002,5...,Zafira 2002,5... Y20DTH| Y22DTR| Y22DTH,Y20DTH| Y22DTR| Y22DTH
Complaint: In some occasional cases it might be possible that under load and/or acceleration there could be a power decrease and DTC P0300 (high pressure diagnosis) might be set.
Cause: High-pressure side blocked by dirt / particles.
Production:

11 - Field Remedy: 1463
Subject: Toothed belt diagnosis - Possible causes and remedys
Models: Engines: Option:
All -
Complaint:
Cause:
Production:

12 - Field Remedy: 1497
Subject: Clutch - Play to wide or spongy
Models: Engines: Option:
Corsa-C 2001...,Astra-G 1998...,Zafira 1999...,Vectra-C 2002... All,All,All,All
Complaint: Clutchplay to wide or spongy, sometimes clutch pedal without drag or sticks after bleeding the clutch system.
Cause: Air in the clutch operator and pipes.
Production:

13 - Field Remedy: 1484
Subject: F17 Transmission - Insufficient 1-2 and 3-2 shifting behavior under cold conditions
Models: Engines: Option:
Corsa-C 2001...2003,Astra-G 1998...2003,Zafira 1999...2003,Vectra-B 1996...2002 All,All,All,All F17 Transmission
Complaint: It might be possible that - even if the transmission is correctly adjusted- a stiff and/or inexact shift mechanism occurs especially at cold conditions. As the transmission oil becomes warmer the shifting behavior improves. This is definitely not a transmission damage, the durability of the transmission is not affected.
Cause: Problem might be caused by: - Sliding gears are out of tolerance. - Feathering at the synchronizers. - Oil stiffness.
Production: Modified sliding gears have been implemented in production since June 2002 with transmission number A10721F17.

14 - Field Remedy: 1583
Subject: Engines - EGR valve overview
Models: Engines: Option:
All 2001... All None
Complaint: EGR valve does not longer exist in some engines.
Cause: Increase of catalytic converter efficiency.
Production:

15 - Field Remedy: 1560
Subject: Electrical Hydraulically Power Steering System (EHPS) - Interchangeability
Models: Engines: Option:
Astra-G 1998...,Zafira 1998... All,All EHPS
Complaint:
Cause:
Production:

cam astea sunt in TIS.
  • Eddie

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Multumesc mult.
  • zafira 2.0 automatic

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chiciuc, de unde le scoti ???
  • zafirul

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cam astea sunt in TIS.


iete...
numa ca omu a sapat mai mult... e un spil undeva sa dai o cautare, ceva dupa documente si keyword... nu prea m-am prins... Laughing Laughing Laughing
  • SHARANEL

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mai am o nelamurire, am vazut zafire din acelasi an cu masca fata diferita: unele cu ceva insertii de aluminiu, altele simple. Ce inseamna asta? Nivel de echipare diferit sau acea masca mai smecheroasa e element de tuning si se poate inlocui oricand?

Daca nu stiti despre ce vorbesc, pot pune aici poze.
  • zafirul

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in momentul cind s-a lansat vectra C in 2002 au inceput sa mearga pe aceeasi linie cu grila... asa au aparut corsele si zafirele cu face lift.
la zafira parca pe la inceputul lui 2003....
in plus stopurile spate sint albe -ma rog, transparente- (semnalizarea nu mai are plasticul portocaliu ci transparent, ca cel de marsarier)
cel mai imortant aspect insa - daca e sa-ti alegi una mai noua- este ca la interior au gindit MULT mai bine bancheta spate.

am vazut zafire din acelasi an cu masca fata diferita


de curiozitate ce an erau?
  • SHARANEL

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din 2003 ambele, una cu, cealalta fara grila smecheroasa.

cam complicat sa adaug un url, nu aveti "vrajitor" Smile

iata cea cu sigla smecheroasa: http://www.bestauto.ro/deta...zare&ID=39637

si cea fara: http://www.bestauto.ro/deta...zare&ID=39806

Ambele au stopurile albe? Ca la cea din prima poza nu i se vede spatele.

Sa inteleg ca bancheta spate difera de la modelul 2001 la modelul 2003?

Ce parere aveti de aceste doua masini? Pe una din ele am pus ochii, prima 8800 ultimul pret, a doua 9200.

@zafirul mersi de informatii, "bag seama" esti cel mai activ pe-aici Wink[/url]
  • zafirul

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e ceva ciudat.. aia de SJ are bot de 2001/2002 si spate de 2003 (poate o fi fost busita in spate si i-or fi schimbat stopurile??....) ;grila e ca la a mea (2001)...
aia din prima imagine ar trebui 99% sa aiba stopurile ca la cea de-a doua

difera dramatic....centura din mijloc e in 3 puncte la astea mai noi (la a mea e in 2), cind se rabateaza, mijlocul devine o masuta cu suport pahare...e mult mai bine gindita

mi se par insa f. ieftine... daca te duci pe mobile.de si cauti una din acel an o sa ai surpriza sa vezi ca marea majoritate sint pe la 10000 si chiar mai sus....
(cu 16% tva german ... ceea ce din star iti da un + de 3% fata de pretul respectiv)
cred ca pe la noi se cam aduc cele cu muuuuuuuuuulti km.... si date inapoi...
  • SHARANEL

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stiu ca sunt ieftine, probabil au peste 200kkm. Cati km pot sa faca neamtu` in 2-3 ani? In plus, chiar daca ma duc eu dupa masina, nu am nici o garantie ca iau una mai buna sau mai ieftina. Neamtul a invatat toate hotiile de la romani.

Deci sa inteleg ca imi recomanzi sa iau modelul 2003, si nu 2002? Una din 2002 este si la noi in oras, in parcul unui prieten, tot cam la acesti bani, dar totusi parca aia din 2003 e mai tentanta. Chiar daca e riscanta. Sper sa nu aiba probleme, chiar daca are 250kkm facuti pe autobanda, aia inseamna uzura cat 50kkm facuti in orasele din Romania.

PS: cea de SJ e vanduta de catre proprietar, ii expira leasingul in iunie, iar cea alba, din Baia mare, dupa cum se vede este vanduta de catre o firma de leasing. Tipul mi-a spus ca are 153kkm reali, si are carte service. Faza e ca stiu ca se poate rezolva orice, deci cartea service nu e o garantie prea puternica. Totusi in 2,5 ani sper sa nu fi facut mai mult de 200kkm.
  • Eddie

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Cea cu masca veche probabil ca a fost fabricata la inceputul lui 2003 si nu se terminasera mastile model vechi.
In plus cea alba cu numere de SJ este Elegance fara jante.....ceea ce nu exista !
  • SHARANEL

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cea alba e din baia mare, si nu are jante al, iar cea de SJ este gri. La care din ele te referi si de unde stii ca este elegance? Dupa parerea ta, ce inseamna faptul ca este Elegance si nu are jante?
  • Eddie

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Da,asa e,nu am aruncat decat o privire....Asa e ,cea cu masca veche e de SJ,cealalata alba chiar nu stiam ca e din Baia Mare.....
Daca vezi poza la cea de SJ si te uiti pe bandou,vei vedea ca scrie Elegance,nu chiar clar,dar scrie la fel ca pe a mea,e un cuvant mai lung decat Confort.
Pe cea alba nu se vede ce scrie exact ,dar are oglizile la culoarea masinii si incuietorile la culoarea masinii( tipic Elegance),dar nu are jante,cum are Elegance-ul de obicei in dotare.
In minus, cea argintie pe langa masca mai veche de anul 2003, mai are si jante model 2002 sau 2001.
  • zafira 2.0 automatic

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Se pot cosmetiza pentru vanzare la greu. Are dreptate zafirul cu ce sustine despre cea care are elemente pentru fabricatie 2003.
Preturile sunt suspect de mici pentru Ro. Sa nu fie masini lovite sau poate f.f. rulate. Este vorba numai din pct. de vedere al pretului de piata fata de an si dotari.
  • Eddie

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Pana acum erau Zafire din 2001 de 2.0 Dti in jur de 11.500 de euro,cu km o gramada,acum au aparut unele de zici ca sunt furate....8500-9000 de euro !
De kilometrii nu mai zic,probabil ca sunt mult mai putini.... Laughing
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